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>> it's just a few moments away well, we begin ms hour with president biden getting ready to head to hollywood tomorrow. >> the mission raise as much money as politically possible with the likes of george clooney and julia roberts maybe a rendition of oceans. was that 12 or 13 now, obama will be at the fundraiser as well. jimmy kimmel will told will interview them and the price he has

ticket to get in 500,000 bucks. well, it's as much about raising money as it is about trying to get people excited for biden's reelection campaign hey, which i can tell you has been quite a challenge, at least according to the polls now, there seems to be two types of celebrity supporters for biden. one, joe, we call the raging bull type that is vocally brawling against donald trump. and all of his supporters you see this guy get elected now the other type is working behind the scenes man, on the best way to tell biden story at the convention of story that hasn't seemed to resonate with the youngest of voters according to a quintic piazza poll from last it's month trump is a point ahead

among registered voters between 18 and 34-years-old. and just for some perspective, biden won that age group by 24 points back in 2020. the new york times today outlined biden struggles and connecting with gen z with the headline. joe biden wants to go viral it's not easy. >> now, of course, trump is caught in that demo as well. the latest example, his appearance on the popular logan paul podcast oh, no way. we've got a lot of money. >> there's no way thank you, president. to split it up. here's co amazing. this is is this your mouth shot? >> can you guys as well? >> these days what we're reduced to. >> okay. i'm meant to process that, so i'm attorney to people joining now, the data

former republican congressman joe walsh, and former obama white house senior director naira hoc. so glad to have both of you here. first of all, the former president just handed out like mug shot paraphernalia is that just shocking to you or is that exactly what you expect? >> nelson logan, paul effectively lost his job in 2018 because he just thought it would be a really great idea to go and film suicide victim comes in a japanese forest, right? this was his big play. so for both donald trump who lost the 2020 election and logan paul who lost all of his utah contrast, this is their version of comeback. so they're going to appeal to the basis of instincts as both of their personalities do to get what they can get. >> it. there was this tell you that that this the way that they're doing it, i mean, is this something that's logan paul? he's young voters are looking to him. young people are looking at me is a very influential figure, has a huge platform is this the right route? is this the way that the politicians need to go in order

to get that support? >> yes we live again in a populace moment people are sick of politicians. >> they're sick of both parties. young people, laura, are sick of both of these candidates so it makes, again, it's all an act with trump, but it makes sense to try to come across as a non politician to get endorsem*nts from people like this. it's tougher for biden because by hidden like trump's nuts, but trump's old. he just turned 78 today. biden presents as old. that's a different hurdle. he's got to get over, especially with young people. >> here. here's part of what i think the challenge actually is the idea of what's authentic and what's not. and biden should just be himself racing alright, i mean, the other nine on the daily show, charlemagne, the god was talking about, oh, look, these people drop f bombs is biden was the original f bomb dropper and always pearl-clutching people in washington dc de big deal moment. >> no many a time when working

in the white house, was this just regular toque and biden knows how to be a regular human being he knows how to connect with individuals at a personal level and just embrace, lean into the fact they're both old and biden's just the older person that you actually want to spend time with because he'd be kind to you. well, voters want authenticity. i think that's for sure. i think a lot of people talk about why they're drawn at particular figures in politics or elsewhere that they feel lag the game, the real person. and of course in the social media world, you don't have to have the different hurdles to access people. they can set their own narrative or their truth wherever you want to say about it. but the new york times reports that biden's campaign is struggling because it's quote, mrs. what they're talking about, quote, difficult territory for an 81-year-old president whose policies let's seize on gaza and immigration or unpopular on the left. >> so what would be the way for him to connect to voters is, i mean, if these are not just about authenticity, but about real substantive matters as well, he's got he's got a unique curdle, laura, because i

think biden himself has to do this so george clooney and no barack obama and jimmy kimmel, it's biden because he's, he comes across his older he's got to make the case studies up to it. >> he is authentic. he needs to be authentic. he can't have an endorser. do that. everybody knows who trump is. everybody, and we have to decide whether we want him back in the white house. biden has to make this case himself. some of wonky can get some of what the challenge with younger voters. >> and again, we're talking 18 to 34. so millennial, younger than that is the it's going to be a referendum on their lived experience of coming up in effectively a broken system. yeah. and that's that's independent of biden it is part of their post-covid experience. this living through mass shootings. this is the first-generation that is not going to out earn their parents or be able to afford a home despite the fact they will be working longer hours and they have no job security. it's a good economy, so the optimism

of why young people should best in this system is not an argument that trump is making, right? he's, he's mr. the system is broken. just put me in charge of everything that is actually something that biden can say that would be effective if he just does it as the person he is, you know, there was a moment. i talked, there's a moment. i think we can all point to when we realize how impactful and influential hollywood celebrity would be in an election, the packet that would be the person to endorse. i mean, it was the ultimate celebrity endorsem*nt and then you've got this endorsem*nt or fundraiser happening tomorrow. you mentioned some of them who are gonna be there. you've got george clooney, julia roberts, jimmy kimmel former president barack obama, the tickets range from 250 to 500 grand and that includes four tickets in the front row, a photo with biden and obama, and the afterparty. and you have to wonder if if you're meeting people where they are is this where voters are? is this the kind of enticing thing or is this really about banking the money

to then be able to access these voters later? >> no, that's all about money. trump does it to both sides do that? that's just about raising money in an obscene how much money is required to run a presidential election. >> but she's gotta do that. but george clooney, barak obama, and jimmy kimmel aren't going to get regular american supporting joe biden hollywood elites in hollywood celebrities. it's not a one-to-one return on investment of celebrity time to a direct vote. >> but it does certainly help with that idea of enthusiasm and vibes. if you get the right celebrities, i mean, trump had trochee and at some point, bushes had the director who was talking to a chair right? i'm a chair at the convention so there's a good group they can pop it. i will say though that i still have ptsd from fight song. so not all celebrity collaborations are, you know what i'm talking about? >> i do that song as i can it did not, that did not. >> so celebrity endorsem*nts did not work for hillary and they're not going to work for biden. biden's young people do

not want to vote if they come out and vote, they're going to vote for biden. >> i'm going argue with you on this one. okay. go and either we don't argue a lot. >> well, let's play the fight song quick. don't go ahead looking at recent data of old people, young people, and i know there's a very generic terms we're using for voters first it's not apathy, and it's not that they don't care about issues and don't care about the future. >> they actually have a much higher reported rate of 90 having access to voting because they move a lot. so they either have incorrect polling information, bureaucracies of voting have gotten intentionally very complex ashley reports significantly higher rates of having trouble just accessing the ballot. most will vote for biden. biden has to figure out a way to get them out to vote. he has to enthusiast, he's gotta get enthused by doing what that's the big question. i just think biden's gotten who embrace the fact that i'm in 80-year-old grandpa, put the sunglasses on, look like a cool all doing he

can't not rather actually have made with trump's much biden's at least a normal guy embrace your cool old grandpa. >> that's the only way to do it. >> well, you've heard it here light is what god, not the python. >> okay. >> it was catchy. now you're at joe both. thank you so much. and not for the earworm though at all. next, my interview with the ufc president dana white war, we talk everything from sports to politics, including his thoughts on why ufc's fan base it seems to be so drawn to trump and why he thinks the former president gets a bad rap one i want to do work in which and to be with my family i want you to join your brothers in the rank. >> welcome to the show i just love being out there with you guys the only thing that matters to me claw rigid are

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whirlwind 30 years. >> it has been for the full contact combat league that knows no boundaries. i'm talking about the ufc, despite its initial crushing lows, the fight business has built up quite a staunch fan base. so who is behind the counter punch that transform the largest mixed martial arts phenomenon that seeping into our culture sees controversial, he's very polarizing, but he's authentic. >> his passionate. >> i don't care who disagrees if you're wrong and i'm right did he guys telling me how to run my business. if you want to come battle with me, this is what you're going to get. >> well, who knows how to weave in a level change for an element of surprise. >> if we set out to make the live event experience, one that people would clamor to attend, then it better be inexperienced that wound it's almost frozen well, joining me now for a no-holds-barred interview, and i promise is not going to be a

cage fight at all. >> the president, the ufc, dana white, welcome to cnn and laura coates live. how you doing good. >> thanks for having me. >> i'm glad you're here. listen. i mean, this new series you got on roku goes behind the scenes. i know everyone's been talking about it. this is not really shrouded in mystery. i know you're in your war, war room right now, but the idea of going behind the scenes and what it is taken to build your enterprise is nothing short of amazing. and i just wanted why do you want to let the cameras in and realistically, when you look at what we did, it's three episodes. >> it's a sliver sliver of what goes on here. we have a van ops, we have consumer products, we do all our own production normally when you do a deal with a network the network does the production for sports. we do all of ours in house i have 562 employees worldwide. we have offices in canada, mexico, brazil, the uk, uae, china, and singapore. >> and but what people really love is they've never had the

opportunity to see how fights are made what happens when fights fall apart. >> the highs of the highest and the lows of the lows of the business. and that's what this doc gives you well, you know, one of the big fights that are happening, obviously in washington dc you got to front row view i've literally because when the former president had his first public appearance following being convicted in manhattan, he showed up for a ufc fight. >> i mean, he comes out there are a lot of applause. it comes out to american badass, right? which has become kind of the theme song for his campaign he got all this applies. he stayed to the very end, the fighter at the end comes over and hears him. it's hard package them as well. and he uses the video two, then launch tiktok for himself. what is it about the relationship the two of you have that made him want to be there and it's so embraced by the fan base that ufc yeah he and i have been friends for almost 25 years. when i was building this business early

on, we first bought it then years didn't even want the ufc. >> three guys believed in this thing me, frank and lorenzo for tito when trump reached out to us, he showed up for the first fight and stayed to the last one at the trump taj mahal. and he's been a fan of fighting, obviously at big boxing events back then too, but he's a big fan of the ufc and our fan base absolutely loves him. yeah, he launched the tiktok one post. >> he's got 6.2 million followers. and the thing is that like 100 130 million, almost views so it was very successful. >> what do you think it is that, that? >> i mean, obviously the support for you and the building of the ufc and beyond is important from a personal perspective. >> but for him to have the featuring the breath, what is it about the fan base that you think is drawn to him personality wise or otherwise, is it i mean, it seems to me the fan base once a lot of the

things that inequality is that he exudes why is that? >> yeah, i think that i don't know why the but the fighters two are aligned. i mean, yeah, multiple fighters jumped out of the octagon that night and shook his hand and thanked him and listen, trump is a good guy. trump gets a bad beat politics are dirty, you know, this as well as anybody else. he loves this country and he loves every american in this country, despite what they say about it. i have been friends with this guy for a very long time. he's a very good human being and it's been a very good friend of me and politics are just 30 and people say a lot of things if any of the things about him were true, i would not i would not associate with him. he's a good man. >> that's interesting because there's a lot of ammunition people throw to suggest that you have any number of reasons not to like him. you don't believe that things are being said about him? >> i know. i'm personally

there's a lot of things that are being said about biden. there's a lot of things that have been said about a lot of other politicians i take it all with a grain of salt interestingly, a lot of hollywood people, a lot of cli, celebrities nowadays, a lot of sports leagues people want to distance themselves from politics generally, they don't want the association they're worried about their marketing. they're worried about brand association, the worrying about there you are putting yourself at all these different things, you know, full well, the role of the media and a lot of things why do you think so many tried to avoid it? you choose not to extend that ten-foot pole know it's it's a good thing to avoid. >> i mean, politics are dirty. it's i don't i'm obviously a very close friend to trump i care about this guy, like i would any of my really good friends so i'm there to support them as a friend, but i'm not looking to be overly political or get into politics

either when people go to watch sports, they want to disconnect from all well, you can watch that stuff on every other channel. you want to disconnect from that stuff, lose yourself in the sport that you love and have a good time with your family and friends and you don't want any the politics getting dragged into sports. >> you're supposed to be the ultimate form of escapism. you are right about that. and yet so often it is at the intersection of so many other things and i do wonder because you have with ufc a lot of attention obviously is given to the mel fighters, but you've got a whole lot at lot of women who were also fighting and who are also a part of the sport. you've got the wnba, right now who is fighting to try to get the same level recognition as an nba has got a lot of momentum behind him with caitlin clark, with angel reese, with so many as the nwa with the nc doublet and beyond, they're actually more than 300 female fighters in the ufc. i wonder when you're watching the wnba and other organizations building, what would you say to

them to promote, to elevate women in pro sports i have season tickets to the aces here in vegas, so i'm almost supporter of the wnba and of the lot of friends with many women who play in the wnba and i think it's great all the costs let's reversi all the smack talk, all the bickering and all that stuff. it just it just all helps build the sport. it's good for everybody. it's not bad and the ufc, i mean, once i met ronda rousey and starting to bring women in equal pay equal rounds. i mean, everything is the same for the men and the women here at the ufc and always has been since the door was open to women i think what's going on in the wnba right now is great. even all the negativity and the bad talk people eat it up, they love it. it's, it's basically like a like a daily soap opera that people can't wait and everybody has an opinion. and every row, caitlin clark did it's all good stuff. it's good

it's good for the business cohen was your opinion on the fact that caitlin clark is not a olympic team is that bad for business i don't know. listen, if you know the fact that people are talking about it is incredible for the business, right? what you don't want to be is the leave that nobody cares about one way or the other they don't care if she goes olympic state. they don't care if she doesn't go to the olympics. that's what you don't want. that's what's bad for your business. every single thing that's going on with the wnba right now could not be better, could not be bigger and i go to games and have a blast to go into the live games. and i think a lot of people are starting to wake up and realize that that the wnba is actually fine. >> it is. and you've had tickets before the caitlin clark sees it season i want to just point out that you've been a longtime fan she's a walk once he's the one all right. >> hold on. >> where you go. proof positive that people are not just coming to this port right now, also

speaking about fights that people are looking at your huge fan of mike tyson. and what must be honest. >> but let me say this was one more thing. let me say this. but you have to understand caitlin clark is massive in big to this whole thing. it's like even in my sport, it happens here too. like when a guy like conor mcgregor burst onto the scene and becomes a huge star everybody starts saying, oh, that's the golden goose and this saturday. but all it does is all that kind of talk just makes everything bigger. caitlin clark is absolutely massive for the wnba and many, many ways, as are the women that came before her and help get it to where it is today. it's all these people are building blocks in building the sport and making people care one way or another about it. >> i mean, i do subscribe a philosophy that a rising tide lifts all boats, right? the idea of everyone is talking about and you're part of that is for your part of the team, it's a good thing, but i do wonder mean, you're in a business where people i mean,

they they literally fight out their resentment they've got rivalry. it's going to get handled one way or the other in the octagon you don't have quite the same thing on the floor of wnba games and beyond. but you do have the fight. do you think that it is helpful in terms of morale overall evening, everyone subscribes to what you as the head of the ufc would think about what's good for the sport as a player yeah you're right. but everything is a fight. you know what i mean reese doesn't like her and she doesn't like reese every time they play. >> it's they're gonna get together and they're going to battle who's going to win, who's going to lose these it's no different than every time that indiana would go into new york and you had bike lee on the sidelines and you had what's the name drop in threes and i mean, it's reggie miller incredible reggie miller. and the whole thing that went on with new york, everything is a fight and everything is a battle. there's nothing better

in a sport than when you have incredible characters and incredible story lines. and people are coming to fight, they're always has to be something at stake what's at stake and why should i care to watch this game every time caitlin clark and reese played, it's it's gonna be a big deal and people are going to care. it's all good for everybody okay i'll take a quick break, but i've got to know it ain't a white thinks his friend mike tyson should really be fighting jake paul, and who he thinks will win that's next this election season. stay with cnn with more reporters on the ground. and the best political team in the business follow the voters follow the results, follow the facts follow. cnn the rise discovered our newest

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palo vii to three-to-one, three-to-one. today. >> i'm learned box on capitol hill and i'm back now with ufc president dana white. let me turn to what's going on with mike tyson because you're a

huge fan and who isn't, he has this much anticipated fight against jake paul. it has been postponed if mike tyson, we're here. would you tell them to go for it? would you give them instructions? is the anaconda choke are we tapping out what's the rule mike tyson and i talk regularly so i am he's actually training here at the ufc for the slight and yeah, i you know, i'm excited from mike. >> mike wants this. i've been very vocal in the past about him still fighting, but this is what he wants to do and this is what he was raised to do. i mean, this is what he does. he fights we had this situation before where i didn't want to fight and come on, mike, i'll get your tv show, so i got them at tv show on shark week and he wanted to kill me like you care about me so much that you don't want me doing what it is. i actually do what you want to throw me in the ocean with a bunch sharks that this makes no sense, dana, so i stay out of mike's business and let him do his thing.

>> okay. well, how about this business for you? because you've talked about politics because the blood sport kind of like how people look at mma fighting. would you ever run for office? you have people like the rocket, other people entertaining the notion. how about you? >> never in 1 million years, you want to talk about the sport that i'm in is fighting and its regulated and it's whatever there's nothing dirtier than politics and i want nothing to do with it. >> i want you to think about your answer before you give it, dan, i want you to really give it some thought about that. but really million years. so you never, no one's ever asked you to be a part of any administrations and you would say no? >> well, people have asked me lots of things, but i would never, never, ever, ever get involved in politics. it's just, it's i'm first of all i have no desire interested in and i'm one of these people like everybody is so divided right now. if you look at those people in hollywood that i'm very good friends with.

there's plenty of people let and everybody thinks that i'm like some crazy conservative. i'm right down the middle. i'm for common sense. and in this country everybody has the right to vote for whoever they want to vote for. whoever you vote for. i don't, judge. you it's your god given right. as an american to vote for who you want to i don't ever, judge anybody by their politics or or who they vote for. it just not my thing why do you think people have that perception of view? >> is he your association with trump because my relationship with him and but he's just he's not who everybody thinks he is. >> if you think he's this demon in this, this monster that wants to destroy the country. he's a good human being. he loves america. when i say levs america, he loves every american in america regardless of race, religion, or any of that stuff. donald trump is a good person and his family are good people to ivanka is one of the one of the nicest people you will ever meet. and so as her husband, jared kushner, they're all good

people and we all want the same things in america. we want a good job. we want to be able to take care of our families. we want to be able to buy a home and a car. we all want the same things well you know it's interesting event. people have that perception and i've never heard you try to clarify it in your stance. i wonder it's obviously you don't feel the need to clarify your positions and and tell people, is that just because you think stay in your lane and i'll stay in mind and you have your assumptions and i'll have my reality well i think so, but i when you when you talk about trump, it becomes so polarizing people are so like you'll see a lot of people out in the streets interviewing people that was is that you don't like about them. >> what has he done that bothers you and what does this what does that people can't really put their finger on it. it just the media creates all of this all the infighting that's going on in this country right now. and i'm the exact opposite. i'm down the middle both through everyone to

vote for. never wants to, i ever nothing here at the ufc is political. everybody knows my relationship with trump i don't ever tell my employees to vote for trump or i don't tell my employees to vote at all. you're all grown up your home. grown men and women. if you want to vote, vote, if you don't want to vote, don't vote and that's pretty much my stance on everything was in my stance with covid. if you want to get a vaccination shot, do it. if you don't, by all means, then don't do it. it's your body, it's your life, and it's your decision well, some people would look at a position and a platform that you have. they and and think themselves. but you now have a duty to do that, which you normally wouldn't have to do as an individual, do you feel like because of your platform people are looking to you to influence, to endorse, to do all the things that you seem averse to doing well, i think that there's no there's no secret who i'm voting for and where i sit politically, right

now. >> but when i was younger, i would absolutely have considered myself liberal leaning more on the liberal side what would be considered a liberal 20 years ago not what is considered liberal today. >> what do you see the difference is now i that's night and day. >> it's not even remotely close to what it was 2030 years ago. if you consider yourself a democrat, 20 or 30 years ago, was completely different than what it is today. i would actually consider myself leaning more conservative. and but i'm going right down the middle. i am for common sense, give me common sense. all day. >> and i'm voting for that. >> gosh, a lot of people who would say even republicans are a fire, fair cry from what they used to be. even 20 or 30 years ago. i do wonder. i know. i know i gotta go, but i do wonder from your perspective, i know you said the media creates a lot of the fighting and the drama of it. all. i have a front row seat oftentimes i see

drama playing out in the media is reporting on it. maybe there are are those who indulge in the creation, but certainly what i'm seeing or actual fights. but one of the biggest fights people have right now is about the criminal justice system. and after the conviction, a lot of people think that should be the exit ramp to no longer considered trump. somebody who's bias do you think anything from the convictions has that changed your view of him at all not even a little bit. >> i mean, if you started if you wanted to start going after people and convicting them, i mean, there are former president's that you'd absolutely could have gone after and done the same thing. >> this is this is how you weaponize politics. >> that's what's going on with trump. and the problem is, is that every american in this country sees right through it well, we'll see maybe to bring an octagon over to capitol hill. >> and we'll see what happens so it is me ask you who would match up for you, who would be the matchup? i mean, everyone safe in the end, everyone's all

that so who are the matchup but you want to see the what goes on in capitol hill as the old ufc before it was regulated. >> no holds barred, no rules two men enter, one man politics are way too dirty for me way too dirty now that is really saying something dana white, so good to talk to you to get your opinion on so many things. >> remember, you got to catch fire inke roku. thanks so much for joining thanks for having me i had the play that's taking broadway by storm and giving a fresh take on the immigrant experience. >> i'm talking about john jazz, african hair braiding now nominated for five tony awards directly dirt whitney white is my guest, mixed with we have trimer sunday at nine on cnn. >> once retired, marcus decided, i will never again work for another man i

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>> yes. i said tony nominated director of the play, whitney white. whitney congratulations. i'm so proud of you. and for you, and i had the absolute pleasure azure of seeing this on broadway early on and just fell in love with it. i'm so glad to have you have all this ascites driving. so talk to me about this nomination and really what it means for you, whitney and the entire cast and crew, because a black woman has never one the best play or best direction of a play. so you, whitney could be making history first of all, thank you. >> it's so wonderful to be speaking with you, you know, i'm such a fan and, you know, it's very strange to be caught up in such a potentially historic moment. we open this play. it was a world premiere that opening the called on broadway, which never happens anymore. the last play homes by a black team that open cold on broadway was in 1991, and it

was mud von. >> so it was a surreal, it's been a real process from beginning to end, but it's something we really believed. >> and then i think the recognition from the tony's has just bolstered us some much and it's been so inspiring and i think it's helped keep the shop alive forever. the plays is going to live on long after we're gone now because of this recognition. so it's just been an incredible experience. >> i mean, just opening cold on broad i mean, the fact that this premiered on broadway, something that most people could never eat then frankly, dream of having happened. and so it didn't get the tests run and smaller cities, it's almost as if it wasn't. in fact, it was greenlit just onsite what did that mean for the whole process of that? and really what a tremendous and extraordinary testament to your work thank you jocelyn and i just want b0 is the playwright. >> she's in granted ball. she is someone who's grace new york stages both as a performer and writer. and i think the

word we kept using behind the scenes once we got the green light to do the production with manhattan theatre club was we wanted the work to be undeniable. every luck laugh, every tear the set design, costumes, lighting, hair. we didn't want have any doubts and we didn't want the audience 70 doubts. so it really affected i think premiering cold on broadway, it really affected how i approached the work as a director and i just kept thinking of the word undeniable. what's going to make this production on demat undeniable? what's going to make the characters undeniable? and that's, that was my guiding principle throughout the process because we didn't have any other trials we had to get it right the first time. >> well, the set design is beautiful, and frankly, i mean, i'm a woman who frequently it takes my daughter to the african hair braiding salon to get whatever new style and she wants i have sat in many over the course of my lifetime as a young girl and now and to watch this set come to life. now only just the transition between set pieces, but also i want to tell

you what i found so compelling about it is how often we are really centering the conversations around immigration and dreamers with respect to latin america. and you're play off a different and equally important perspective for migrants from all across the african diaspora why was it so important to include these experiences in this conversation i think in 2019 and very much now, the face of immigration, it had a very particular face and then wasn't necessarily a face that reflected the reality of the people coming into the country putting money into our economy, living, working, dying here, and toiling every day to be a part of the american dream. >> and i think jocelyn very bravely took pen to paper and saw it out to show another side of the face of immigration, of long long-term immigration here. and what does it have?

the cost? the american dream, and i think she did it brilliantly and i think it was refreshing to go back to a previous time and looking at issue of immigration, to go back to 2019 because sometimes you can look at the past with clearer eyes, then you can the present. and yet the play to me speaks very loudly to the now and i think get resonated with people because of that. but it's important to remember that even though there might be one face, in the media of a political issue, it's usually representative of a much larger group. and this is the first time in american theater history that you had these many women from different african countries represented in one play. typically when you look at the work, it's like about one community or one area in jobs is really about a kind of collage of women in this workspace and with that, it was a financial and critical success. >> obviously, tony nominated. so just give him that i don't know that you set out to prove

something, but you certainly did prove something. what do you think that is i think we proved that black female stories are human stories that everyone can enjoy. >> there were all kinds of people in that theater every night in fact, for the first time in the history of manhattan theater club, which is where the play debuted on broadway. we brought in more first-time people to the theater than ever before. and i thought that was a diverse audience. and i think we've proved that, first of all, the audiences are ready for new stories. it's okay to try something new. it doesn't always have to be viewed as a risk. >> it will bring people to the table and also black females story these are stories that lots of people actually do want to hear certainly do assign me up each and every time. and it was also whitney white good thank you so much. i can't wait, people. i hope it's touring sun, which is often the case for broadway shows. and when it comes to just sitting

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to 369369. today, i'm caitlin polio at the federal courthouse in washington, and this is cnn close captioning is brought to you by tableau. watch, pause and record live tv subscription free start watching tv for free with tableau switching to tableau has really been a money saver without a monthly subscription it was amazing quarter today at tableau tb tb.com when you think of the vatican, what comes to mind, a solemn sense of quietness, elaborate cast six and grand works of art, maybe. well, how about photo bombs and wise cracks?

>> that's one down today when more than 100 comedians knock elbows with the pope himself. here's cnn's tom foreman please. >> we're just here to see the pope. >> he was a meeting made in comedy, heaven as 100 big name comics lined up to shake hands with pope francis including jimmy fallon, julia louis-dreyfus, whoopi goldberg steven colbert am i excited is the pope catholic? the pope's goal to underscore the importance of humor in a troubled world in the midst of so much gloomy news, he said flat this or kevin you have the power to spread peace. you unite people and make god smile. mike burbank, leah currently touring with a hit show on netflix, love the pope, saying it's important for comedians to call out hypocrisy i mean, i was raised catholic and so i never heard that kind of message. >> from the charge. and so to hear it from the person, the highest up in that same church

it was unexpected and i thought overall really positive, plenty in the audience like jim gaffigan have long included religion in their routines i'm not a good catholic, like if there was a task for catholics, i would fail. but again, most catholics fail, which is probably why there's not a test some of their material may strike strict church goers as a little wicked but the polls showed no sign of being troubled keeping cool, even when chris rock photo bombed him and the assembled comics we're not looking for controversy either. and then in the darkness a solo voice to mommy big figures, an allies and the lgbtq community such as tig notaro, while not approving, seemed willing for the de to press pause on reports of the pope using a hom*ophobic slur in private in

the end, even comics who shared many laughs at religions expense, we're delighted to share a few with the pope. can the seizure because his care second and he said it's okay to laugh at god we play and joke with the people we love i was talking to mike burberry glia, who for my money is one of the best comics in the country right now. and he said, look, many, many people in that room disagree with many, many things that the church and the pope represent. and yet he said, today it was about i'll saying, how do we get closer together? not just further apart. and it worked. laura town barman. thank you so much. and hey, thank all of you for watching anderson cooper 360 starts right now.

>> tonight on 360 breaking news. if now in the judge's hands, lawyers for the former president just file their answer to special counsel jack smith hall for a gag order in the classified documents case. also tonight, what we're learning about how trump and biden teams are preparing for the cnn presidential debate less than two weeks from tonight. and later, new details on the princess of wales is first public appearance since revealing her cancer diagnosis. it's gonna be tomorrow. and what it could say about the state of her treatment. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight with the breaking news on a gag order jack smith says, is designed to prevent the former president from making statements that quote pose a significant, imminent and foreseeable danger to law enforcement agents participating the investigation and prosecution of this case in a statements such as the former president's false claim that he narrowly escaped death during the search of mar-a-lago. his lawyers had until today to file their counter-argument and tonight they did cnn. it's evan perez joins us now with more. so what does the filing say? >> well, anderson, the president, the former

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